Dawkins uses the first section of chapter 1, “Deserved Respect” to set up some things; first, good religion and bad religion. For Dawkins, good religion is what he calls “Einsteinian” (aka pantheism, or natural theology), and “supernatural religion” (aka theism, or supernatural theism, a la Borg) is bad. Dawkins liberally, and glowingly, quotes Einstein embracing “naturalism” (belief that nothing exists beyond the material world, also called “materialism”) and thrashing “supernaturalism”.
He then goes on to quote letters from people implied to be Christian leaders to expose the “weakness of the religious mind.” He chooses a sample of writers that in no way reflects the intellectual elites of Christianity to compare to the genius of Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, and Stephen Hawking. This seems like a slightly unfair comparison. Why not sample writings from C.S. Lewis or Alister McGrath? Why not find some people with M.Div.’s from Princeton and Yale? It’s simple, Dawkins is trying to (not-so)subtly set up his second point: that smart people are atheists and Christians/religious people are dumb.
The letters Dawkins samples are perfect for his purpose. They are the product of undereducated, overzealous people trying to protect their mistaken beliefs. They use poor logic and non-Christian theology to attack Einstein. One is far more nationalist (not to mention hateful) than Christian. But is this really an accurate representation of Christians? I don’t have to answer that , do I?
Toward the beginning of this argument he says this:
The notion that religion is a proper field, in which one might claim expertise, is one that should not go unquestioned. That clergyman presumably would not have deferred to the expertise of a ‘fairyologist’ on the exact shape and colour of fairy wings. Both he and the bishop thought that Einstein, being theologically untrained, had misunderstood the nature of God. On the contrary, Einstein understood very well exactly what he was denying.
There are several things in this passage that are of note for me. First of all, though Dawkins ridicules the field of theology, he references great philosophers and philosophies. What’s so different between philosophy and religion, from an atheist perspective? Both would boil down to views on existence, thought, and how to live. That’s not a big thing for me, though, because if you’re saying that religion is a bunch of make-believe, then you’re obviously not going to accept that.
Next, “fairyology” could be a real field. If a person was dedicated to studying portrayals and descriptions of fairies in literature and art, they could be called an expert fairyologist. People can be experts in all kinds of stuff.
The final statement is a key for me. One side says that Einstein “misunderstood the nature of God,” the other says that he “understood…exactly what he was denying.” The thing that Dawkins would be loathe to acknowledge is that not only are the two not mutually exclusive, but they are both true. Just like Marcus Borg (see here), Einstein is denying an incorrect perception. He’s disagreeing with something that isn’t true to begin with.
One of my issues with atheistic and liberal (Christian and otherwise) apologetics is the intellectual dishonesty involved. They build up a stereotype or the actions of a few confused souls as a straw man, so that their target becomes an easy kill. Here Dawkins builds a small, two-part argument for atheism: “Many” smart people are atheists, so you should be, too; and “most” (or “all”) Christians are unintelligent and poorly educated, so you shouldn’t be one.
If Einstein’s rejection of Christianity was based on beliefs similar to those displayed in these letters, he wasn’t rejecting Christianity at all. Atheists, secularists, Unitarians and the like use the improper and imperfect actions of some Christians to discredit Christianity when they should be looking at the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.
Building an argument against Christianity based on a person who confuses Christianity with nationalism or with racism is like building a case against the internet based on pedophiles or against sex(marital and otherwise) based on unwanted pregnancies or STDs. It just doesn’t work.
Dawkins saves his better stuff for the second half of the chapter, “Undeserved Respect”. The general idea of the section can be summed up with this statement: “A widespread assumption, which nearly everybody in our society accepts – the non-religious included – is that religious faith is especially vulnerable to offence and should be protected by an abnormally thick wall of respect, in a different class from the respect that any human being should pay to any other.”
This section is about undue privilege given to religion in society. While I’d prefer not to see the tax breaks given to ministers and churches disappear, I would understand. Dawkins makes some great points in this portion. He cites several stories that are perfect examples of people giving too much deference to religion without good reason.
The flagship anecdote, the recent controversy involving the 12 cartoons of Muhammad (along with the coverage of conflicts in Northern Ireland and Yugoslavia removing any references to religion), seems to me to be more of an indictment of liberal media outlets than society in general. If you think about it, who was expressing “‘respect’ and ’sympathy’ for the deep ‘offence’ and ‘hurt’ that Muslims had ’suffered’”? (Dawkins even identifies them as “decent liberal newspapers”)
I agree with the H.L. Mencken quote at the end of the chapter:
We mus respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children are smart.
I appreciate Dawkins’ sentiment that he “shall not go out of [his] way to offend, but nor shall [he] don kid gloves to handle religion any more gently that [he] would anything else.” Bring it on.
Ryan’s post here.
Ryan Campbell
RE: Fairyologists. I don’t think Dawkins meant fairyologist in the sense that you describe, as someone who studies portrayals of them in art and literature; rather, I think Dawkins meant a fairyologist as someone who literally claims knowledge of real fairies. Dawkins is attempting to make an analogy between the absurd idea of a fairyologist and the idea that it is possible to be an expert in theology because, to Dawkins, to say one is to say the other, they are equally ludicrous. The analogy goes like this: why is it acceptable to dismiss a fairyologist because he or she believes in magic, but that same logic doesn’t apply to someone like Jesus, who, as if by magic, raised Lazarus from the dead (and himself rose from the dead, and turned water into wine, etc.). Accepting the magic of one and dismissing the magic of the other doesn’t make sense to Dawkins, and, on a certain level, doesn’t make that much sense to me. But we’ll get to that more explicitly later in the book.
I feel like we’re talking about the rest of our issues over on my site, so I’ll just leave the rest of the article alone for now…
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The problem with the analogy is that there are no (prominent) people discussing fairies as if they are real. I’ll address the “magic” issue in my next post, most likely to be titled “Materialism in Science”.
Ryan Campbell
Sure, as there are no prominent fairyologists. The analogy, I think, is really supposed to create the question… why are the supernatural elements of one (fairies) dismissed while the supernatural elements of another (Christianity) accepted? Having already read half the book, I know that Dawkins will come back to this point later, so I don’t feel like pressing it too hard; however, it is hard to see why one is given preference over the other. Or, switching to another religion. Christians reject the theology of Buddhism, with its multiple deities and so forth. Beyond the Bible’s claims of the truthfulness of the supernatural elements of God (which seem circular to me), why are Christianity’s supernatural elements accepted while Buddhism’s are rejected?
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I do see the purpose of the analogy.
You’ve said that you choose to lump all religions together into one group, so as far as I’m prepared to go with your last question is that Christianity is exclusive by nature. Christians are identified as such because they believe in Christ, and that means to the exclusion of all others. The logical and philosophical arguments in favor of Christianity’s truth claims are available in many places.
Ryan Campbell
I’m only lumping all of them into one group in the violence discussion and, in fact, I’m going to write more about that where I back track (only a little). Discussing each specific theology of each religion is another conversation. Of course, Christianity excludes others (interestingly, Buddhism really doesn’t). My question, from an objective point of view on both religions, is why are the supernatural elements of one “true” (Christianity) and the competing supernatural elements of the other (Buddhism) “false”? Being a non-believer, the answer is not self-evident to me, and I don’t understand where the truth or falsehood comes from other than the Bible asserting its own authority.
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The reason one is “true” and one is “false”, at it simplest, is because you must believe the latter is false to believe the former is true. If you don’t believe the former, then you can consider both false.
I’m not trying to convince you that Christianity’s truth claims are valid, and never was. It would be a pointless and futile effort, since right now you seem dedicated to proving them invalid. However, if you’re interested in actually looking at logic and evidence, here are some names for you:
Lee Strobel (this one you know), Gary Habermas, Josh McDowell, C.S. Lewis (one-time atheist), G. K. Chesterton, Francis Shaeffer, Ravi Zacharias (former atheist), and R. C. Sproul.
Elmo
In response to your final comment at your site:
1. First, there is evidence and support for Christian belief. See above. Second, okay, opinions are not debatable.
6. I don’t disagree with you about homosexuality not being a choice. You’re putting words in my mouth now.
There are differences between being black or white and being homosexual. First, and most clearly, there is no “lifestyle that is a consequence of” being a particular race. Of course, giving someone a hard time for it is bad, for race or sexuality.
As for the response to biological futility, you are beginning to lump religions together, as you said you’d only do for the violence issue. I am not Catholic, therefore my ministers are married, and produce children. Also, here you compare a lifestyle which is a choice (celibacy) with the “lifestyle that is a consequence of homosexuality”, which you say is not a choice. If celibacy is not a choice, you should be defending it. If a homosexual lifestyle is a choice, then it can receive the same criticism. If celibacy is a choice, and a homosexual lifestyle is not, they are incomparable.
The wasted time and resources position has two problems. First, most people spend a fraction of the time at church that they spend watching TV, or sports, or doing any number of things. Second, the premise that our money would be better spent on healthcare or other such things, assumes that people would choose to spend their money on healthcare, or that it would be appropriate to raise taxes. I actually don’t disagree with your premise, though. It’s ridiculous that American churches are buying arenas and building $5 million buildings on 40 acre plots when people are going hungry and sleeping under bridges within 50 miles.
Plenty of gay couples raise children through adoption, thus prolonging the chances of life of the species, as an example.Plenty of gay couples raise children through adoption, thus prolonging the chances of life of the species, as an example. True. That doesn’t make it part of the natural order. To be blunt, we aren’t plumbed for homosexual activity. That much is clear.
This is not the best argument to make for someone in your position, because the same logic can be applied to faith (an argument that Dawkins makes a little later in the book, so I can’t credit for thinking this up entirely by myself). That was my point. Dawkins is using science to say religion is false. You support his argument (so far). So, by his logic, homosexuality is also a problem. It’s not the argument I would choose, except to make this point.
I do believe that “my version” of morality is absolute – for Christians. Some people think they should try to force a non-believer to accept the morality of the Bible, but that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. So, based on logic (for example, if everyone only had sex with their spouse and didn’t divorce, venereal disease would be all but eliminated. The spread of AIDS would be reduced, there would be fewer abortions, teen/unwed mothers, the cycle of poverty would be easier to break, etc.) and my faith, I believe that this morality is best, in comparison to alternatives. I see what you mean though. Tell me if this definition fits, from your perspective (it does not fit from mine): morality is a social construct based on logic, survival, and the preservation of order.
7. I’ll do the research myself, but I’ll also point out that you said “religious people do more bad things in comparison with other groups,” in response to my saying it was unfair to characterize all religion and religious people based on the negative actions of a few. Of course, you also said, “no, I don’t have numbers, and no, I’m not going to show them to you.” So maybe I should have just assumed you were right and moved on. I’ll be back with numbers though, and if you’re right, I’ll let you know.
All analogies break down at some point. But the validity in the government analogy is that when you vote for someone else, you are justifying governance, just in another form. You can choose to live “off the grid” eschewing any governance, or you can revolt, or you can advocate anarchy. In this analogy those are equivalent to atheism. Dawkins isn’t talking about disassociating from the actions of a particular religion or religious leader, but about removing religion from the sphere altogether.
The institutional violence in Christian history begins and ends with church-run governments. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch-hunts…The conflict in Northern Ireland was more political than religious, most of those involved in the fighting being the type of non-believing Anglicans and Catholics that Dawkins enjoys so much. The persecution of Jews was wrong. I’m not really familiar with what you’re talking about specifically, but I’m assuming it was a “grassroots” type of thing. Televangelists use(d) Christianity as a tool – more like a weapon – to con people. That’s just criminal action, it happens at self-help seminars and with all kinds of scams.
Of course the church and the government should be separate, as much for the purity of the church as for the security of the government and the governed. Those events are a perfect example of what can happen when the two are joined.
Much of the institutional violence in Islam is similar, through Sharia law and political organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Taliban. I don’t care to defend Islam, so I’m not going to work as hard on this one. It is a religion that, unlike Christianity, was originally spread through violence by Muhammad and his early followers. Christianity was attacked and persecuted for it’s first few centuries, yet flourished through peace.
So, if you would take some time to look at circumstances, you’d see that the trend is much more specific than you seem to think. It’s called dominionism.